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Bolje sacekaj jos malo, bar jos nedelju, najkasnije 2 nedelje. I ja planiram da uzmem ryzen, ali sa ovom ponudom neka hvala, sacekacu, ne daje se svaki dan toliko para na konfiguraciju.
Koliko ti mislis da ce biti na KP je 540e

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Daju kao i račun na ime firme,imaju i sajt...Kao da su domaća radnja...:D


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Koliko ti mislis da ce biti na KP je 540e

micri 570e (rece javice ako bude nesto jeftinije)

emmi 585e (malopre sam gledao, obrisali nema ni jedan Ryzen :eek:)
Verujem da ce biti 10-20e jeftinije, mozda na neke druge komponente i vise, pa racunaj na svaku komponentu, i sakupi se dosta. Malo su podignute cene jer je bio taj preorder, nema zvanicno jos pola stvari u radnjama (kad kazem radnjama mislim i u Madjarksoj, posto ne verujem da ce kod nas hteti da spustaju ista), bolje sacekati i videti, ne verujem da ce jos dugo.
 

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Ja planiram samo CPU i VI Hero da uzmem preko madjara DDR4 cu ovde kod nas i to je to.
 

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Dobar review, ono sto se i pokazalo ranije, 1700 je sa overclockom na 3.9 rame uz rame sa 1800x, sto je za cenovnu razliku stvarno odlican cpu.
Dosta reviewera vrlo lako postize 3.9 sa 1700.

 

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1700 najbolja kupovina od ovih procesora, nema sta. Zna se otprilike koliko moze da se ocekuje, moze 3.9ghz da se dohvati. Na vodi 4, mozda malo preko ako se ima srece.

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Super cpu za "content creatore", ali meni ne pruža ono što tražim. SC i FPU (sa AVX+om) bolje rade na Intelu još uvek. Ako se nešto promeni po pitanju oc potencijala, rado ću kupiti narednu verziju, ovako njet. A sad ispade da ni 4/6 se neće proslaviti. Dok neki naredni cpu ne pređe 4.6-4.8 sa 6+ jezgara, nema razlike da upgreadujem. 1700x-u bih prežalio i 4.4, ali 4.1 (i to je mnogo) u 2017. ne mogu...pogotovu kad mi st znači toliko za fea...

Valjda će vega biti bolje skuvana...prvenstveno zbog next gen APU-ova u PlayStation 5-ici ;)

Poz
A šta ti to toliko koristiš što koristi FMA3 ? (AVX2)

Razlika između 4.5 i 4.1 je 7.3%.

Sve što koristi FMA3 je i multithreadovano, tako da ti 1700X bolje radi od npr. 7700K, ali lošije od npr. 6900K.

Ove prve serije sumnjam da će preći 4.3 GHz, možda na 4 jezgra budu išli do 4.4-4.5 bolji primerci i to je to... 1800X je nama radio na 4.1 na svih 8 jezgara sa 16 tredova, na 1.5V, što je dosta. Računaj na to da će sledeći stepping ići za oko 200-300MHz više u overkloku od sadašnjih.

Simultaneous MultiThrottling (SMT) :rolleyes: :troll:

Šalu na stranu.

Treba im neki patch, BIOSa, drivera za OS.
Nemoguće da AMD nije znao za ovo.


Mene isteresuje jel ima negde kako se Ryzen pokazao za multiple H.264 i H.265 decoding a ne encoding?

Jeste da je kozmetički ali mislim da je AM4 trebao biti u LGA pakovanju ali verovatno je ta varijanta skuplja. AMD je već imao tako nešto sa Opteronima koliko se sećam ali ovde se išlo na cenu.

Vidim već ga teraju na ~2V! Nije isto AMD-ovih i Intelovih 14nm. Ima ona tabela koja pokazuje veće razmake gejtova na AMD-u. Možda zato i trpi toliki napon.Ne može da probije :D

Nema bre nigde B350 sa I211 LANom samo običan Realtek.
Treba patch za OS, jer igre koje koriste 8 threadova koriste 4 prava i 4 logička jezgra, umesto 8 pravih. OS ne vidi razliku između SMT jezgara i pravih. Pusti dva treda na jednom jezgru sa SMT i dva treda na dva jezgra, pa ćeš da vidiš ogromnu razliku. ;)

Razdvojeniji su tranzistori, deblji su i imaju manje curenje nego na Intelu. Nama nije nikakav problem bio da naguramo 1.5V na svih 8 jezgara.

Druga stvar su performanse tih tranzistora, a to će se vremenom poboljšavati, kao i Ryzen i podrška za ovaj CPU.
 
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A šta ti to toliko koristiš što koristi FMA3 ? (AVX2)

Razlika između 4.5 i 4.1 je 7.3%.

Sve što koristi FMA3 je i multithreadovano, tako da ti 1700X bolje radi od npr. 7700K, ali lošije od npr. 6900K.

Ove prve serije sumnjam da će preći 4.3 GHz, možda na 4 jezgra budu išli do 4.4-4.5 bolji primerci i to je to... 1800X je nama radio na 4.1 na svih 8 jezgara sa 16 tredova, na 1.5V, što je dosta. Računaj na to da će sledeći stepping ići za oko 200-300MHz više u overkloku od sadašnjih.

Pisao sam već na bennchu par puta, pa da ne smaram ljude.

Evo testa sa pugeta

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/SOLIDWORKS-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-908/

Starting with FEA simulation, our results are not very encouraging. For the first CPU, we saw a very poor 70% efficiency which means that in most cases having a high frequency 4-6 core CPU is going to be much better than a higher core count, lower frequency CPU. In fact, we actually saw a steady drop in performance as we utilized the second CPU. In other words, for FEA simulation you can get some benefit from having more cores, but you should strongly avoid dual Xeon systems.

If you are looking for a short answer as to whether or not AMD Ryzen is a good fit for SOLIDWORKS, we would have to say "no". The Ryzen CPUs did extremely well in our rendering testing (easily beating the i7 6850K and matching the i7 6900K), but otherwise the performance was disappointing. In general modeling tasks, Ryzen fell far behind the Intel Core i7 7700K - performing on average about 35-40% slower. Simulations was a bit better but even then Ryzen was ~20% slower than the i7 7700K.

If you do a significant amount of rendering in SOLIDWORKS, Ryzen might be a good choice but anyone doing that amount of rendering can likely either justify purchasing the faster and more expensive i7 6950X or will be using a GPU-based rendering engine like SW Visualize to get faster render times by utilizing the power of their GPU. For the vast majority of SW users, it is clear that you should stick with the Intel Core i7 7700K. Not only is it less expensive and uses less power (so it should run both cooler and quieter), it is also much faster for everything short of rendering.

SItuacija pre godinu dana je objašnjena dole.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Solidworks-2016-Multi-Core-Performance-741/

Conclusion
One thing we want to make sure is very clear is that the majority of tasks (including creating/editing/rotating/viewing models) in Solidworks are single-threaded so there is no performance gain by having a higher core count CPU. The purpose of this article is not to examine those common tasks at all, but to look at the tasks that are often claimed to be multi-threaded. Overall, we can come to four conclusions:

1) Opening and saving files (both assembly and drawings) is multi-threaded, but is limited to the point that there is no actual benefit to having more than a single CPU core. Simply put, something else (whether it is hardware or software) is the bottleneck in our test system, not the CPU. Considering that the CPU we tested with only has an operating frequency of 3.1GHz and we are using a fast SSD storage drive, we can fairly confidently state that unless you have a very low-end CPU your processor is not going to be the limiting factor when it comes to opening and saving files.

2) Running simulations only sees a very moderate benefit to having more CPU cores, but there is a drop in performance with multiple physical CPUs. For a single CPU, we saw about a 70% multi core efficiency for FEA simulations and about a 75% multi core efficiency for flow simulations which is bad enough that a high frequency quad core CPU will match the performance of even the most expensive Xeon E5 CPU. In addition, for all three simulations we saw a significant drop in performance with multiple physical CPUs so a dual Xeon system will actually be slower than a system with a single CPU.

3) Mesh creation sees a small benefit to having more CPU cores, but is extremely limited. At worse we saw no benefit to having more than a single CPU core and at best we saw a 60% multi core efficiency for the first 8 cores. In two of the three tests we saw a point where more cores actually reduced performance, while the third simply showed no benefit to having more cores.

4) Rendering is extremely good at utilizing multiple CPU cores. Rendering is really the one place in Solidworks where a higher core count CPU (or multiple physical CPUs) would actually show a significant improvement in performance. For a single CPU, the efficiency is pretty much perfect with a ~100% multi core efficiency. The efficiency did drop when using multiple physical CPUs (down to about 95.5%), but that is somewhat to be expected given the overhead associated with multiple CPUs.

What all this means is that the choice of CPU for Solidworks is actually fairly easy:

Even for the multi-threaded portions of Solidworks (including simulations), we would recommend getting the latest generation, highest frequency quad core CPU you can. At the time of this article, this would be the Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0Ghz Quad Core.
Razlika je još veća u korsit KL kada dodam klok od 5GHz, što mi nasparam 1700x, predstavlja 20-23% perf gain, a na 10 sati rada kompa, to je mnogo. Kažem, prežalio bih da ide na 4.4, ispod toga ne, ali baš GHz razlike mi se ne isaplti, pa da je i 20c/40t... Možda sledeća generacija bude bolja ili barem 6/12, ali ti reče da će teško na 4.5. Šteta, baš sam hteo opet 6+ core posle 7 godina i kobčevog 1055t :D
 
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A koliko mu je dobra ili losa cijena, vidjece po prometu.
 

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Ali inače ne vidim zasto bi neko uopste uzimao 1700x,1800x umesto 1700 kad dostizu oko 4ghz klok svi :)

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Pisao sam već na bennchu par puta, pa da ne smaram ljude.

Evo testa sa pugeta

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/SOLIDWORKS-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-908/







SItuacija pre godinu dana je objašnjena dole.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Solidworks-2016-Multi-Core-Performance-741/



Razlika je još veća u korsit KL kada dodam klok od 5GHz, što mi nasparam 1700x, predstavlja 20-23% perf gain, a na 10 sati rada kompa, to je mnogo. Kažem, prežalio bih da ide na 4.4, ispod toga ne, ali baš GHz razlike mi se ne isaplti, pa da je i 20c/40t... Možda sledeća generacija bude bolja ili barem 6/12, ali ti reče da će teško na 4.5. Šteta, baš sam hteo opet 6+ core posle 7 godina i kobčevog 1055t :D


Koliko vidim u renderingu je solidno brži od 7700K. U simulaicjama koje su single threadovane je razlika 20-tak% .

Opet što se tiče overkloka to je relativna stva i vremenom će se popravljati, a može da se desi i da se dotičan softver popravi za veći broj jezgara, pa da radi brže i bolje na tom 1700x npr.

Kada se uzima hardver obično se gleda i kako će raditi u nekom budućem softveru, osim ako ne menjaš malo češće komponente.
 

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Ovaj lik je skuplji 10k od domaćih radnji i 10e jeftiniji od Ipona jos oce sto nekih pogodnosti i unapred uplata... stvarno ima neku bolesnu logiku
Ali inače ne vidim zasto bi neko uopste uzimao 1700x,1800x umesto 1700 kad dostizu oko 4ghz klok svi :)

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Možda zbog TDP-a od 65W. Mislim da ako je delarisan sa većim TDP-om može da dostigne veće klokove.

Mada ja evo sa 6600 non-K bijem preko 4,6Ghz@1,35v sa BCLK OC-em.
Mada iskreno mislim da mi sistem nije toliko rock stabilan kao sa PII 955BE@3,6Ghz

Nisam imao srca da ga prodam već sam ga ostavio sestri.
Sad je na defaultu.

Mislio sam da pređem na KL 7600k uz neku minimalnu doplatu jer imam VIII Hero.
Samo treba pravi trenutak.
 

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Rendering mi ne treba, rekoh, pisao sam ranije pa da se ne ponavljam. Ceka se zen 2 ili kako se god zove da donese vece klokove. A videcemo i taj 6/12 mada sam se stvarno umorio i od ovog zen hype/hate cirkusa. Vrv cu sad da iskuliram neko vreme. Sad se vracam zeni pod oko, pa necu movi tako lako da se zezam sa promenom konfe..
 

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Pa tebi bi onda bio dobar i naklokovan i5 7600K. Realni da budemo, što bi bacao pare na 7700K.
 

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Pare sam već bacio. 6600K sam prodao pre mesec i po dana na forumu. Sad imam 7700k. Pazario relativno jeftino, oko 330e, ako me sećanje ne vara :)
 

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Auu jos jedan oglas izasao na KP za 1800X cena 673e... :mad:
 

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