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AMD Bulldozer [official thread]

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Potvrdjujem, samo ne pali Linx Medo :rotf: Shalu na stranu, moze bez problema na 4,5 GHz da radi sa Hyper 212+, posto je dovoljan napon od nekih 1,3V

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Za info. LinX manje greje bulldozer nego prime95. Uostalom Prime je sa manjim FFT-ovima brzi 20tak % po jezgru nego K10, a sa vecim datasetovima je sporiji. Generalno, P95 je bolji test za cedjenje Buldija.
 

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To je sigurno ona varijanta sa "vodenim hladjenjem". Glupos'...
 

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AMD se okreće TSMC-u?

AMD is rumored to be seeking ties with TSMC, Taiwan's premier semiconductor manufacturing foundry, for future manufacturing of its "Bulldozer" architecture processors, according to a report by DonanimHaber. This has two very distinct implications: first, AMD could be facing issues with GlobalFoundries 32 nm HKMG node, its de facto foundry for CPU manufacturing, and second, this could just be an obvious development of future low-power APUs based on the new x86 architecture being manufactured at TSMC, much like how current E-series and C-series APUs are.

Then again, AMD doesn't exactly have any APUs in works that use "Bulldozer" architecture for the x86 cores, rather, its successor codenamed "Piledriver". Another couple of important things to note here are that TSMC does not have a 32 nm bulk node (it was scrapped with the transition to 28 nm bulk), and its HKMG (high-K metal gate transistor) manufacturing technology is deployed rather recently. It would be interesting to follow this development.
Izvor: TechPowerUp
 

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50% ubrzanja do 2014

The reviews are now out for AMD's brand new Bulldozer architecture, in the form of the Zambezi FX 8120 & FX 8150 processors and they don't paint a pretty picture of these flagship products. The chips use lots of power, run hot and significantly underperform compared to their Intel competition. On top of that, they are being marketed as 8 core processors, when they are actually 4 core with an advanced form of multi-threading, due to the siamesed nature of each dual processor module. Perhaps to counter this negative publicity and try to restore some faith in the AMD brand, they have released a roadmap for the planned improvements to the architecture, all the way to 2014 – an ambitious timeline, given how much and how unexpectedly things can change at the cutting edge of the technology world.



Looking at the chart, one can see that the various architectures Piledriver, Steamroller and Excavator all add up to between 30-50% projected improvement by 2014 (subject to change without notice, of course). These are all names designed to impart a tough-guy image to their products to give one the impression that they must perform very well, beating the competition into submission. Therefore, if they fail to perform competitively against Intel, those names will continue to be branding embarrassments like Bulldozer is, currently. As Intel is already 20-50% faster right now depending on the benchmark, how are these modest improvements possibly going to compete with Intel's future products? AMD has already had a change of management at the top recently, so we can only hope that the right CEO comes along and turns them around, otherwise they may end up not manufacturing x86 processors at all in future, possibly becoming a GPU company only.

The main problem with the current Bulldozer architecture is that it's very, very late to market. AMD started working on it four years ago in 2007, which is a very long time in the world of desktop processors, so AMD have effectively released a new "old" product. The two important things that it has going for it, are that it scales well with core count and clock speed - those 8GHz overclock marketing demos weren’t completely without merit. What we need to see is AMD improving performance much more than the prediction slide they’ve released, more like 100% or more perhaps, which is not really such an unrealistic target to achieve in three years of design and process improvements. Perhaps discarding this whole architecture and starting afresh with fully discreet cores like on the Phenom might be the way forward? AMD has recently let go some of its top-level management, so perhaps their replacements can turn the company around?

So, even if AMD achieves this projected performance improvement and more, will it really be enough to counter Intel, or will Intel steamroller AMD’s Bulldozer back into submission?
Izvor: TechPowerUp
 

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Ne znam kako vi vidite ovo ali po meni treba da ide na nekih 150 evra ili malo vise. Opet i svve to ajde nekako ali potrosnja je velika kocnica, bar iz mog ugla, ne bih da opterecujem nepotrebno napajanje, a uostalom sa phenomomII se moze prebroditi do piledrivera ili intelovog konkurenta lagano kada se vidi sve ovo...
 

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"Perhaps discarding this whole architecture and starting afresh with fully discreet cores like on the Phenom might be the way forward? AMD has recently let go some of its top-level management, so perhaps their replacements can turn the company around?"

To! Kao sto kaze ona kineska mudrost: bolje se sa pola puta vratiti nego pogresnim do kraja ici.

Podhitan radikalan rez i prekid sa CMT arhitekturom, udaljavanje iz kompanije zagovornika iste i nastaviti gde se stalo sa Phenomom! Dusa me boli kad vidim kako su bez po muke i truda, sa malim fejsliftingom popravili performanse onih shrinkovanih Atlona u APU-ima. Kakav bi samo Phenom III bio da su ovoliko resursa i vremena ulozili u njega kao u Bulldozer, pa to bi bila zverkica samo takva.:(

Znam da ce se Alko sloziti. :cool:
 

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To je sigurno ona varijanta sa "vodenim hladjenjem". Glupos'...
Da to je taj, a sto se performansi tice Black Edition je u sposoban raditi na oko 300 Mhz vecoj frekvenci od standarne verzije sto nije lose a treba da se pojavi u prodaji van Japana pocetkom 2012 problizno u isto vreme kada dolazi i FX-8170 koji ce takodje radi na 300 mhz vise od FX-8150 (doduse bez overklokovana) tako da je moguce da ce sem ovog procesora AMD izbaci i brzi FX-8170 Black Edition.
 
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"Perhaps discarding this whole architecture and starting afresh with fully discreet cores like on the Phenom might be the way forward? AMD has recently let go some of its top-level management, so perhaps their replacements can turn the company around?"

To! Kao sto kaze ona kineska mudrost: bolje se sa pola puta vratiti nego pogresnim do kraja ici.

Podhitan radikalan rez i prekid sa CMT arhitekturom, udaljavanje iz kompanije zagovornika iste i nastaviti gde se stalo sa Phenomom! Dusa me boli kad vidim kako su bez po muke i truda, sa malim fejsliftingom popravili performanse onih shrinkovanih Atlona u APU-ima. Kakav bi samo Phenom III bio da su ovoliko resursa i vremena ulozili u njega kao u Bulldozer, pa to bi bila zverkica samo takva.:(

Znam da ce se Alko sloziti. :cool:
CMT ide dalje prema roadmapu ... malo će peglati "kritične putove", druge nema, sad je to jedina arhitektura na kojoj rade u nekom srednjem roku. Pa još dobe par % iz optimizacija kernela.
 

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Ako je nisu uboli iz prve, ne znaci da je CMT koncept los. Naprotiv, pre bih rekao da su danasnji programi zastareli, i da ne umeju da iskoriste resurse modernih procesora.
 

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Da to je taj, a sto se performansi tice Black Edition je u sposoban raditi na oko 300 Mhz vecoj frekvenci od standarne verzije sto nije lose a treba da se pojavi u prodaji van Japana pocetkom 2012 problizno u isto vreme kada dolazi i FX-8170 koji ce takodje radi na 300 mhz vise od FX-8150 (doduse bez overklokovana) tako da je moguce da ce sem ovog procesora AMD izbaci i brzi FX-8170 Black Edition.
Stepping B3 ili ti C0
 

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"Perhaps discarding this whole architecture and starting afresh with fully discreet cores like on the Phenom might be the way forward? AMD has recently let go some of its top-level management, so perhaps their replacements can turn the company around?"

To! Kao sto kaze ona kineska mudrost: bolje se sa pola puta vratiti nego pogresnim do kraja ici.

Podhitan radikalan rez i prekid sa CMT arhitekturom, udaljavanje iz kompanije zagovornika iste i nastaviti gde se stalo sa Phenomom! Dusa me boli kad vidim kako su bez po muke i truda, sa malim fejsliftingom popravili performanse onih shrinkovanih Atlona u APU-ima. Kakav bi samo Phenom III bio da su ovoliko resursa i vremena ulozili u njega kao u Bulldozer, pa to bi bila zverkica samo takva.:(

Znam da ce se Alko sloziti. :cool:
Taj Alko izgleda neki pametnjakovic :)
Evo i ja treci cu da se slozim sa vama dvojicom :d
Da se Phenomu malkice poboljsao IPC (mozda i malo vise, ako bi se ulozilo resursa i vremena sto rece kolega), malkice podigao takt i spustila potrosnja sa novim procesom, to bi bio super CPU.
Sa 32nm Tutubanom su mogli da spuste 6 jezgara u mainstream. I da igraju kao i sa grafikama. Nema veze sto nV i Intel imaju nesto najbrze. AMD moze da nudi dovoljno performansi za dobru cenu. Prava jezgra umesto HT i tako to... Imaju dovoljno karata na koje mogu da igraju.
 

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Sa 32nm Tutubanom su mogli da spuste 6 jezgara u mainstream.
Pa vec sada mozes da kupis X6 po ceni malo boljeg Core i3 procesora. Gde ces veci mejnstrim? :d

Sa 32 nm bi mogao samo jos malo da pojeftini procesor i da mu se smanji potrosnja. Overklokerski verovatno ne bi mnogo napredovao.
 

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Pa bas to oko potrosnje i grejanja :)
Nije mejnstrim samo cena. Recimo HD6990 i kad bi prodavali za 100 evra ne bi mogao da kazes da je mejnstrim karta :)
 

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Samo se setite kada sam ja prvi pomenuo taj hipotetički phenom x8 u novom, sitnijem procesu, koliko ste se smejali :D Eto vam ga sad :P

Nego je l' je još neko video da ljudima rkavaju BD cpouvi? Evo Shane Baxtoru iz TweakTowna je crkao bd i to nanekom niskom naponu od 1.25V!!!!!!! :eek:

Shane Baxtor
Anyone else killed an AMD FX-8150 yet? or am I the first?
Свиђа ми се · · пре 23 ч. близу Perth, Australia ·

3 особа/е воли ово.
Razvan Fatu Too much voltage ?
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Shane Baxtor Negative - Less then the ASUS board. Lower clock as well. Someone told me that the TDP could be spicking and killing it....was about 30% in on a Media Espresso encode. Shut down....no more display. 1100T is all good.
Ima li vesti o lanchu cpuova u prodaju?
 

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Pa bas to oko potrosnje i grejanja :)
Nije mejnstrim samo cena. Recimo HD6990 i kad bi prodavali za 100 evra ne bi mogao da kazes da je mejnstrim karta :)
Ne, ali bi bila opaki best-buy :troll:

X6 svakako nije mejnstrim procesor za AMD, ali kada se uporedi sa konkurencijom, on dalje od srednjeg segmenta ne moze.

Ipak, ako bih morao da biram izmedju njanjavog i3 i punokrvnog 1055T, nema sumnje sta bih izabrao. Sa dodatnom investicijom u dobro hladjenje, X6 itekako ima sta da ponudi.
 

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Sve se slazemo :)
Zato i kazem kako bi bilo dobro da se spustio u 32nm i pojavio jos malo bolji nego sto je sada.
Pa jos ako bi uspeli da naguraju celih 8 jezgara u neki monstruozni cip :) Vise bi im to donelo poena nego faildozer.
 

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Nazalost, mast je vec otisla u propast, kao sto je neko vec primetio, glavesine su nazalost izabrale CMT arhitekturu kao put, nema povratka na normalno, roadmap je vec utvrdjen i to je to, samo CMT krsine sasvim prikladnih i odgovarajucih naziva koji svi odreda asociraju na neefikasnost i sporost-bulldozer, parni valjak, bager itd.

Mozda, ali to je varljiva nada, ako bi usled eventualno katastrofalne prodaje na desktop i server trzistu, doslo do neke vrste unutrasnje opstrukcije u AMDu i mozda neke grupe koja bi uspela da ojaca dovoljno da obori ili bar dovede u pitanje CMT koncept kao jedini, mozda bi jos i postojala neka sansa, ovako, kao sto rece onaj u analitickom osvrtu, bojim se da je najrealnija opcija nestanak AMDa sa x86 trzista i transformaciju u iskljucivo GPU providera.
 

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Samo se setite kada sam ja prvi pomenuo taj hipotetički phenom x8 u novom, sitnijem procesu, koliko ste se smejali :D Eto vam ga sad :P?
Mislim da nisi ti prvi to pomenuo... ;) Phenom II X8

Nazalost, mast je vec otisla u propast, kao sto je neko vec primetio, glavesine su nazalost izabrale CMT arhitekturu kao put, nema povratka na normalno, roadmap je vec utvrdjen i to je to, samo CMT krsine sasvim prikladnih i odgovarajucih naziva koji svi odreda asociraju na neefikasnost i sporost-bulldozer, parni valjak, bager itd.
Pa sigurno nece sada da kazu, e zeznuli smo se, napravicemo vam Phenom III u 32 i 28nm. Intel je izabrao svojevremeno Netburst kao pravac, pa im je cak jedno vreme solidno islo (Northwood), a onda su napravili debakl i budalastinu sa Prescott-om, da bi na kraju na tapet vratili malo unapredjen Pentium III, koji i danas furaju kroz Sandy Bridge.
Zamisli sada, zakljuce da CMT nije isplativ za implementaciju, pa uzmu da prave novi Phenom IV npr, sa 4-way dekoderom iz BD-a, zajednickim schedulerom, 4 ALU/AGU jedinice, FMAC FPU po jedan za svako jezgro, Loop Stream bufferom i jos kojekakvim unapredjenjima vezamom za cache. Dobili bi 20-30% brzi IPC, verovatno visi klok itd...Delove iz BD-a mogu da iskoriste za nov dizajn, bas kao sto je npr. Intel iskoristio neke delove Netbursta za pravljenje Nehalema i Sandy Bridgea.

Mozda, ali to je varljiva nada, ako bi usled eventualno katastrofalne prodaje na desktop i server trzistu, doslo do neke vrste unutrasnje opstrukcije u AMDu i mozda neke grupe koja bi uspela da ojaca dovoljno da obori ili bar dovede u pitanje CMT koncept kao jedini, mozda bi jos i postojala neka sansa, ovako, kao sto rece onaj u analitickom osvrtu, bojim se da je najrealnija opcija nestanak AMDa sa x86 trzista i transformaciju u iskljucivo GPU providera.
Za sada AMD ima da ponudi trzistu niskobudzetne proizvode, a to su Llano i Brazos, tako da ne verujem da ce nestati sa x86 trzista u potpunosti, ali debakl sa BD-om moze da ih kosta dosta.
 
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E, kako sad tek bajkovito dobro izgledaju ove Fedjine simulacije tog hipotetickog X8, kad se ono uporedi sa grafikonima iz istih testova sa BD-om, klasicno izuvanje iz cipela.:cool:

A broj tranzistora na hipotetickom X8 za svega 700 `iljada manji od Dozzera. :rolleyes:
 

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E baš sam i ja bacio pogled na pretpostavljene performanse nekog X8 CPU. To je sjajno u odnosu na FX8150 + i dosta manje tranzistora. Ma sada možemo samo da sanjamo o tome, a i oni (AMD);), i to sada nije ni bitno na žalost ŠBBKBB.
 

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AMD'ov Marketing je bio sasvim upravu kad je odredio naziv za novu arhitekturu sa "Bulldozer" samo su nas sve prevarili kad su silovali na najbrutalniji nacin skracenicu "FX".

 
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