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SuperStarr

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http://www.overclock.net/sound-cards-computer-audio/185072-incredible-x-fi-mod-will-void.html

Hotrodding the X-Fi: A Layman's Guide (No 56k)
(cotdt)

The X-Fi is without question the best gaming card, but the sound quality is average at best. As someone who is used to high end external DACs with discrete output, to me the sound quality of the X-Fi can be best described as "low-fi". But rest assured X-Fi owners, we can make it far better! I actually prefer the fully hotrodded X-Fi XtremeMusic over the Benchmark DAC1. Yes, that's what I just said =). It matches the dynamics and detail of the DAC1, but with a wider soundstage, less fatigue, and far more musicality it's not even comparable.

This guide works for sound cards in general and not only the X-Fi, but X-Fi is the most logical choice because of its versatility.

Tools needed:
Solder iron ($2) (I used Hakko 936 but any iron will work)
Solder wick (helps remove stock opamp)
Thin solder (only a little is needed)
LM4562 SOIC (free samples from National Semiconductor)
Blackgate 2200uF 16V (from www.partsconnexion.com or www.percyaudio.com)
ERS Paper (from Partsconnexion or Percy Audio)
X-Fi card (which ones? http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showpo...&postcount=122)

A sound card consists of a DSP, a DAC chip, and an analog output stage that consists of opamps. Opamps and capacitors are the two worst offenders of sound quality. With any soundcard you can change these opamps to far better ones, remove capacitors no longer needed due to the better opamp, and give it more power by increasing the size of the power supply filter capacitors on the sound card. The sound card also sits inside a computer which is full of EMI radiation that introduces noise and degrades sound quality (especially treble). That's why audiophiles use external DACs. But now you have better shielding technology so it's no longer an issue. You can put a silicon carbide/nickel board on the back of the card. Alternatively, there is this thing called ERS paper that is much easier to apply. Basically, you can do what this guy did:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=141880

You should still mount the sound card as far away from the video card as you can. The lowest PCI slot should be used if possible. For music, use bit-matched playback in Audio Creation Mode.

Summary:
(1) Replace the stock JRC NJM4556 opamp with LM4562 SOIC
(2) Replace the sound card's power supply capacitors with larger ones that are at least several times the original value. Quality matters, especially specs like ripple current. Blackgates were chosen for this application, but Nichicon KG would also be an excellent choice due to its specs.
(3) Apply the ERS Paper onto the back of the sound card. You need a layer of insulating material between the sound card and the ERS paper since it's electrically conductive.


The mods make a HUGE difference. It's definately worth doing. And it's very easy to do especially with this guide. Takes less than an hour and doesn't cost much money.

Specs
X-Fi XtremeMusic, Platinum, Fatal1ty FPS, and XtremeGamer uses a JRC NJM4556 opamp for the main channels and three ST4558 opamps for the surrounds. They utilize the CS4382 DAC, which we will prove is a very good DAC. The X-Fi Elite Pro uses the JRC NJM2114 opamp for the main, three JRC NJM2068 for the surrounds, and the even better CS4398 DAC, which is the same DAC used in the Lynx, E-MU 1820, Headroom MicroDAC, Musiland MD10, Zhaolu 2.5C and other high end DACs. As you can see, these are good DACs. With these mods, even the "lowly" XtremeMusic will blow them all out of the water.

Impressions of the stock X-Fi XtremeMusic is that it is muddy-sounding, has a plasticky tone that lacks weight, lacks bass impact due to loose-sounding boomy bass. Background is fairly quiet due to a good board layout. Midrange detail is good but not great, while dynamics and soundstage leave much to be desired. I also have a hard time making out the notes when several instruments are playing. There is also not much texture to the instruments. Better DACs have a resonant quality to them that mimicks real life sounds, and the X-Fi lacks it. Still, the X-Fi is better than the vast majority of comsumer sound cards like low-end M-Audios and the Audigy series. It is also better than any portable player I've heard, but that's not saying much.

Enter the National Semiconductor LM4562
The LM4562 is a new opamp specifically designed for audio application and that's why it's a league above all other opamps for audio. Pretty much everyone I know who has used this opamp has been amazed by it. At the time of this writing, it's a league above the best OPA and LT and AD opamps I've tried. It has a PSRR (power supply rejection ratio) and CMRR (common-mode rejection ratio) above 120dB, so it doesn't care about the poor quality power that computer sound cards get! This will give sound cards that use them an edge over all DACs except ones that use an expensive discrete analog output.

From http://www.national.com/pf/LM/LM4562.html:
To ensure that the most challenging loads are driven without compromise, the LM4562 has a high slew rate of ±20V/µs and an output current capability of ±26mA. Further, dynamic range is maximized by an output stage that drives 2k loads to within 1V of either power supply voltage and to within 1.4V when driving 600 loads.

One thing about the NJM4556 opamp is that it's a weird size longer than the usual SOIC opamp, but the card itself supports the smaller SOIC standard just fine. I cut off the NJM4556, desoldered the remains using a copper wick, and soldered on the LM4562. Make sure it's in the original orientation, which you can tell by the lettering.


Pretty small, but still easy enough to solder.

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The NJM4556 has been removed. It's a terrible opamp and deserves to die.


Put the card back in and notice the massive transformation. There are too many improvements to describe for this one! If you use the surround sound, you can also replace those three with LM4562 as well. The M33078 is the input opamp, and that can also be replaced if you do recording.


Next up we will replace the power filter capacitor. The 470uF Jamicon that Creative uses has a record for failing and leaking brown crap. We will replace this with a 2200uF 16V Blackgate and hotglue it in place. Make sure the orientation is correct if using polar capacitors. Even if you're not a beleiver in changing power filter caps, the Blackgate has 1/5 of the ESR as other capacitors, excellent ripple current results, and is one of the only electrolytic capacitors that last nearly forever, as in dozens of lifetimes longer than other electrolytics. Nichicon KG would also be an excellent choice due to its specs. Anyway, the effect of this mod is tighter bass and greater warmth. I say that the choice of capacitor does matter. Take a listen before the next mod. This is essential because the next mod changes the sound signature and you may or may not like the change.

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We will now shield the DAC chip, DSP chip, opamps, and the entire backside of the soundcard. There are many options, from Texas Instruments to ERS Paper. This is not snake oil. Shielding really makes a difference. I used ERS Paper, which is electrically conductive so you need an insulation layer between it and the sound card. This mod made the sound noticeably warmer and more analogue-sounding. The digital, hyper-detailed sound is now gone and some will miss it. You will notice it right away and would probably want to turn up the volume since now it is less fatiguing. Who would have thought that shielding makes such a big difference?

Update: After 20 hours, the sound has changed from the Blackgates burning in (previously it was too warm). Now I definately think that the shielding paper should be used. The LM4562 will eventually be renamed to the LME4986. Just giving you guys a heads up.

Other Mods:
The X-Fi uses Jamicon capacitors, which are known to either fail or deviate very significantly from their specs over time. A complete recap is not unreasonable. You can buy Panasonics from Digikey, or Nichicons from Percy Audio.

There are other mods but I don't have the schematics to the X-Fi so I don't know how to apply them. If others discover new mods I can add them to the list.

Short the 22uF caps near each opamp (there are 4 of them for each one). I definately recommend it as others beside myself also think that shorting improves the detail and realism, with no ill effects on the card. They seem to be decoupling caps, not coupling caps, and make the DAC more stable. Not needed though, it's perfectly stable without them.

More pictures by Nicker:
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showpo...&postcount=297

Professional Modders:
Contact me and I'll put your handle here as a professional modder. BTW guys, here's another little recommendation from bichi:

Quote:
trikosuave,
- Depends on which X-FI model you have: SB0460 (Music, Fatality) or SB0550 (Elite, Pro)
- Don't expect much sound quality improvement, changing filter cap C177 (SB0460) / C161 (SB0550) for CA20K1 DSP.
(see Catx's excellent post and comment on C177 filter cap: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/3694789-post1467.html)
- For basic changes, see below, per model number:
- for more detailed changes, see: X-FI Op Amp and Cap Modification eSnips Folder

SB0460: (Music, Fatality)
a) coupling caps, (Front: C23, C50, C76, C77)
b) C46 +5vdc supply to opamps: Panasonic FM or FC, 330uf @ 16 or 25vdc
c) C72 -5vdc supply to opamps: Panasonic FM or FC, 68uf @ 16 or 25vdc

SB0460 Part Location Reference Only:
X-FI-MOD-070b - eSnips, share anything

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SB0550: (Elite, Pro)
a) coupling caps, (Front: C45, C58, C35, C49)
b) C104, C133 +/-12vdc supply to opamps: Panasonic FM or FC, 330uf @ 16 or 25vdc
c) C55 +5vdc Va supply to DACs: Panasonic FM or FC, 68uf @ 16 or 25vdc
d) C6 +5vdc Va to AK5394 ADC: Kemet 22uf TANT @ 25vdc

SB0550 Part Location Reference Only:
X-FI-MOD-084b - eSnips, share anything

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http://www.overclock.net/sound-cards-computer-audio/185072-incredible-x-fi-mod-will-void.html
 

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Ima li vajde raditi ovo ak koristimo zvučnike kao što su Z5500
 

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Karta u bilo kom slucaju nija za audio obradu, mislim ozbiljniju. Posedujem jednu takvu i osim za Gaming, tesko da ce ti pruziti uzitak za ultra kvalitetan sound. Iako Z5500 spada u kvalitetnije 5.1 sisteme, [daleko losije od Revox-a], ovaj moding se isplati samo ako koristis nesto jos kvalitetnije od serije 5500, na pr. Le Tube 2x1W sa nekim Triangle ili Meridian zvucnicima. Pustao sam doticni X-FI
na Yamahu sa monitor zvucnicima i dok nisam stavio Juliu, nisam znao sta je dobar zvuk. Ipak ima dosta zezanja oko toga, a za games i gledanje filmova je super.
P.S. Ovo je samo moje misljenje i nemoj ga prihvatati zdravo za gotovo. Ipak ukusi o zvucnoj slici se podosta razlikuju kod korisnika, pa ti sam odluci zasta ti je potrebna i u koje svrhe ces je upotrebljavati. Imam jednu ako hoces da probas, javi da ti posaljem ;)
 

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Ima li vajde raditi ovo ak koristimo zvučnike kao što su Z5500
Po meni bas i nema. Bolje je koristiti digitalni ulaz na Z5500, zar ne? Sta ti koristis?

Mnoge stvari u audio svetu su prilicno relativne, zavisi i koliko ti je uvo istrenirano. Ja sam se odusevio kada sam ATP3 zamenio DAC, pojacalom i zvucnicima (polovno, oko 230e ukupno), a devojka i ortak su samo slegli ramenima i rekli "meni je to isto"...
 

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Po meni, jedino vredno je zameniti OPAMP. Mada to nisam radio pa sada pričam bezveze ali oslanjam se na tolike priče o ASUS karticama.
Trebalo bi da ima šanse da čuješ razliku pored jačine i to razliku u smislu da za neku frekvenciju ti je trebao ekvilajzer a sada će i bez ekvilajzera ranije, glasnije i jasnije da se čuje...
Mada ko što kaže mita, sve je to relativno, zavisi kako ko čuje i da li i šta (i koju muziku i na kom hardveru) sluša.
 

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ja sam sasvim zadovoljan sa njom ovakvom kakva jeste. Razlog: 90% vremena slusam internet radio i to uglavnom progressive/techno/minimal tako da za mene ovakav mod nema nikakvog smisla. Sto se basa tice, atp3 ima sub, bas sam stavio na minimum posto mi komsija odozgo *enja stalno. Za dobar zvuk je primarno da zivis ili u kuci ili da imas JAKO dobre komsije :) Onda tek sve ostalo, a tu atp3 niti bilo koji od ovih gotovih kompljuterskih resenja ne spada. Glasno ne znaci i dobro naravno, al kad zivis u stanu i imas buku sa ulice konstatno, osim kasno nocu, po meni je mlacenje prazne slame ulagati u bilo sta ozbiljno.

u svakom slucaju, dobar je ovaj mod. Ima jos jedan jednostavniji (ali ne i podjednako dobar) softwerski, prebacite kartu u audio creation mode, ukljucite bit match, i prerutirajte sve kanale sporedne kanale da idu i na L/R. Dobija se znatno dinamicniji i cistiji zvuk (treba se igrati sa levelima malo po kanalima posto po defaultu dolazi do izoblicenja posto je signal "boosted" na L/R). E sad, problem je u tome sto ste u audio creation modu, oce da zezaju igre neke, nema 5.1 (ovo je mod za stereo) i bla bla. Ako ima zainteresovanih mogu iskopati ceo link sa detaljima.
ja sam jedan od onih kojima "crystalize" odgovara na ovom setupu koji imam tako da me ovaj mod nije dugo drzao :)
 
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