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4GB a Win vidi samo 2??

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Naime uzeo sam potpuno novu platformu, bla bla bla. Uzeo 4GB memorije, instalirao Win 7 64Bit koji je radio na prethodnoj mashini besprekorno...

Medjutim u cp-u mi pishe sledece (vidi attach)...

Slikao sam i task...

Inace slucajno sam ovo primetio vrteci LINX kad mi je klikom na "all memory" uzeo samo ~1200 MB ...

Shta moze biti problem? Iritira me :)

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koliko vidi cpu-z?
koliko ti pise u POSTu pri dizanju sistema?

kao da ti je nesto zauzelo 2GB i nije slobodno za usera u windowsu
 

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CPU-Z 4GB :)

BIOS 2048 MB wtf?
 

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mozda nesto u biosu je uzelo memoriju za nesto (virtual)
 

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Proceshljao ceo BIOS uzduz i popreko i nishta ne nadjoh ni slicno...

Ako neko ima josh kakvu ideju neka vice, pocinje da me nervira :)

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EDIT: Evo shta kaze everest aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 

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Mislim da je na b forumu neko vec imao slicnih problema a rijesenje je bilo ukljucivanje opcije memory remap (mislim da se tako nekako zove) u bios-u.
 

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I ovde se pominje taj memory remap. Ali pitanje je da li to imas u BIOSu. Garant i tebi pise u resource monitor-u da je ostatak "hardware reserved".

Pred kraj imas i slucaj da je covek iskrivio pin, a posle ispravljanja je sve radilo!? Mada mi je to malo verovatno.
 

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Možda će zvučati glupo... a da probaš da izvadiš module i da ih ponovo vratiš?
Ili da boot-uješ Win samo sa jednim modulom?

Optimized defaults - opcija u biosu?
 

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Imam remap i enable-ovan je, pa sam probao i na disable i identicna stvar ;)

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A "Load Optimized Defaults" i manuelno setovanje RAMa na 1333? I memory remap na enable.

Male su sanse, ali kapiram da svakako imas manjak ideja :)

Da li u uputstvu pise nesto u vezi popunjavanja slotova? Mada imas samo 2 modula, ne bi trebalo da zeza...
 

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To sto ti se dogadja, nije bas jednostavno resiti. Neki WoW64 modul koja se ucitava sa sistemom ti je setovaoIMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE cleared u LOADED_IMAGE Structure koji informaciju o ucitanim DLL-ovima dobija od ImageLoad Function. Koliko mi je poznato, postoje neki alati kojima to mozes da promenis, ali sve to nije bas jednostavno. Evi ti jedan link sa MSDN sajta gde se vidi da je x64 windows ogranicen na 2Gb ako je IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE setovan na cleared. Ja nisam, svojevremeno kada sam naisao na taj problem, imao zivaca da to izucavam malo dublje, pa prepustam tebi ako te ne mrzi. Bitno je da znas sta da googlas. :D.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb613473%28VS.85%29.aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms680349(VS.85).aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms680209(VS.85).aspx

Evo ti jos nesto:

Of course, compatibility for 32bit applications has to be provided on x64 (and Itanium as well) and this is what WOW64 (Windows on Windows 64) is all about.

The WOW64 emulator runs in user mode, provides an interface between the 32-bit version of Ntdll.dll and the kernel of the processor, and it intercepts kernel calls. The emulator consists of the following DLLs:

  • Wow64.dll provides the core emulation infrastructure and the thunks for the Ntoskrnl.exe entry-point functions.
  • Wow64Win.dll provides thunks for the Win32k.sys entry-point functions.
  • Wow64Cpu.dll provides x86 instruction emulation on Itanium processors. It executes mode-switch instructions on the processor. This DLL is not necessary for x64 processors because they execute x86-32 instructions at full clock speed.
Along with the 64-bit version of Ntdll.dll, these are the only 64-bit binaries that can be loaded into a 32-bit process.At startup, Wow64.dll loads the x86 version of Ntdll.dll and runs its initialization code, which loads all necessary 32-bit DLLs. Almost all 32-bit DLLs are unmodified copies of 32-bit Windows binaries. However, some of these DLLs are written to behave differently on WOW64 than they do on 32-bit Windows [...].
Instead of using the x86 system-service call sequence, 32-bit binaries that make system calls are rebuilt to use a custom calling sequence. This new sequence is inexpensive for WOW64 to intercept because it remains entirely in user mode. When the new calling sequence is detected, the WOW64 CPU transitions back to native 64-bit mode and calls into Wow64.dll. Thunking is done in user mode to reduce the impact on the 64-bit kernel, and to reduce the risk of a bug in the thunk that causes a kernel-mode crash, data corruption, or a security hole. The thunks extract arguments from the 32-bit stack, extend them to 64 bits, then make the native system call.
32bit applications have a maximal 2GB space (4GB if explicitly required) and the rest of the space is handled by the system. This doesn't change much of course, since on x86 user mode applications had 2GB of virtual memory space out of 4GB (the other 2GB were reserved for kernel mode). On x64 these two other GB can now be accessed by 32bit applications. In order to achieve this, the IMAGE_FILE_LARGE_ADDRESS_AWARE flag has to be set in the File Header's Characteristics field. You can do this programmatically or manually with a normal PE editor like the CFF Explorer.
 
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Mislim da je memorija prtina, ili jedan modul pravi gluposti ili je jednostavno nekompatibilnost GEIL modula sa ovom plocom.
Javni se sutra pa da poteram moj OCZ da vidimo sta se desava. ;)

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Ma kakva nekompatibilnost sa plocom. Njemu i ploca i sistem vide 4Gb (screenshoot), ali mu windows ogranicava na mogucnost da koristi samo 2Gb (kao u 32bitnom windowsu)!
 

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Zivi bili pa videli sutra. :)
 

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Pa lepo stoji na prvom screenshootu:
Instaled memory (RAM): 4Gb (1.99Gb usable)
 

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Sa Geilom nikad nisi siguran, zato sam i predlagao da proba da je obori na 1333. Proba sa drugom memorijom je jos bolja varijanta...
 

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Idi u msconfig i vidi da nije uključeno maximum memory.
Da li ti je poslednji bios?
 

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Skoro sam radio servis liku koji je u masini imao 8 gb rama, a u win7 64bit je pisalo "6.94 gb usable", takodje je i bios video 6.94. U northbridge konfiguraciji sam stavio neki "memory remap", ili "memory something something" na enable, i bios i win su posle normalno videli svih 8gb
 

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Skoro sam radio servis liku koji je u masini imao 8 gb rama, a u win7 64bit je pisalo "6.94 gb usable", takodje je i bios video 6.94. U northbridge konfiguraciji sam stavio neki "memory remap", ili "memory something something" na enable, i bios i win su posle normalno videli svih 8gb

U koliko ti je Memory Remap na Disable, onda ce vindows moci ds vidi maksimum 3.25Gb i to je to. To znaci da ce Windows moci da koristi samo 32bitni adresni registar, sto mu omogucava da vidi max. 4Gb memorije, od cega se 1~2Gb koristi za kernel. Bios ce uvek i bez obzira na memory remap setovanje da vidi fizicku kolicinu memorije, dek je Memory remap opcija tu da obezbedi mogucnost operativnom sistemu da koristi svu memoriju koju fizicki dozvoljava maticna ploca.

I dalje mi nije jasno zasto vas buni sve ovo, kada prvi screen shoot jasno pokazuje da je sistem svestan da poseduje 4Gb memorije, ali saopstava da je od toga svega 2Gb iskoristivo?

Evo jos jedne informacije gde ovo sto sam ranije napisao jasno stoji:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx
 
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Nikada nisam video da bios vidi manje memorije od OS.
 

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Svakako je vec napisao da je probao sa memory remap opcijom, a i raspolozivo mu je samo 2GB umesto 3.2GB (pretpostavljam da je i illidan na to mislio)...
 

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Komotno imamo 3 opcije oko kojih smo podeljeni - BIOS, OS i HW. Kvalitetno "resavamo" probleme, a Shikija nigde nema...
 
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