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Odradio sam dva testa prva slika rezultat a druga slika temperature i ostali podaci cinebench r20. Zatim sam odradio Real bench treca slika je benckmark a zatim i strestest poslednje dve. Komp nije zakucao,zakocio i nesto slicno tome.interesuje me vase misljenje o tim temperaturama naponu i sl. Sta je tu ok sta nije da li moze tako da se koristi svaki dan bar da koristim potencijal ploce i procesora. Da li se ovde vidi temp.ploce naponske sekcije?
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Eto, na koju foru na imam 400 poena manje u Cinebench???


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Pojma nemam, mozda ploca? Lupio sam ali ........
 

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Trotluje procesor možda.

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Sta mislite o naponima na mom testu i ako moue neko da mi docara temp.naponske ima li toga u hwmonitoru. Hvala..

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Uživaj druže, bezbedan si na svim poljima.

Ne garantujem za koronu samo. :D Šala...

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Ok hvala,a ima jos jednu opciju da ide gore verovatno oko 4.9+ghz da li da probam ili da ne cackam mecku.

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Nije trotlovanje samo od temp, već od nedovoljnog napona ili nestabilnost.

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Nije trotlovanje samo od temp, već od nedovoljnog napona ili tako nešto.

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Termalno sam okej, 72C u Cinebench. Ništa mi nije jasno.


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Sada meni nije jasno kada malo promuckam glavom,delidovan procesor + extra vodeno i temp 72° cinebench. A kod mene klot procesor i noctua d14 60° sta tu ne valja?

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Sada meni nije jasno kada malo promuckam glavom,delidovan procesor + extra vodeno i temp 72° cinebench. A kod mene klot procesor i noctua d14 60° sta tu ne valja?

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To tek ne kapiram ni ja, nego ajd’ sad, loše mi je provetreno kućište a u stanu je pakleno vruće.

Promenio sam powerplan na ultimate, povećao napon i i sad imam 2290 pts... to idalje nije dobro.


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I moje kuciste je lose provetreno dva 14 ubacuju jedan 12 izbacuje a noctua sa 14 i 12 hladi cpu direktno u 12. Gore nemam ni jedan za izbacivanje u planu su dva corsaira 14.

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Meni 2 14ice ubacuju vazduh kroz rad, 3 12ice izbacuju i to je to. Jako loše, bukvalno bi trebalo obrnuto a i biće, kad zamenim radijator.

EDIT: Jedino da rasklopim cpu block i da očistim, možda je jetting plate prljav i zamuljan.

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U svakom slucaju je bolje nego moje sa 12 koja izbacuje . Meni jedna 14 ide preko hdd 3komada koji opet dizu temp na 30° samo bih ukratko rekao imao sam razne big kulere coolermaster, dark rock 3 vodena ali ni jedno ne moze noctui vodu da donese.

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Čeka se Gulfi, ja sam zbunjen koliko i ti, ako ne i više :D


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Moje misljenje je da tebi problem pravi ploca,ne kazem da je u kvaru ili nesto video bi ti taj problem, hocu da kazem u smislu da proizvodjaci na neki nacin ogranice mogucnost ploce npr tvoja ploca moze da tera do 4.7 da bude full,moja do 4.9 full a za jos preko treba extreme i 500 evrica. Moze to da se podesi kao sto ti to radis ali negde nesto se gubi,nesto fali nesto ga davi ne vuce se maximum. Mozda gresim daj boze ali ne verujem.
 

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iPhone 15 Pro Max 256 GB Midnight Green, EK-XTOP Revo D5 × EK-RES X3 250, Mayhems Ultra Clear Tubing
Moje misljenje je da tebi problem pravi ploca,ne kazem da je u kvaru ili nesto video bi ti taj problem, hocu da kazem u smislu da proizvodjaci na neki nacin ogranice mogucnost ploce npr tvoja ploca moze da tera do 4.7 da bude full,moja do 4.9 full a za jos preko treba extreme i 500 evrica. Moze to da se podesi kao sto ti to radis ali negde nesto se gubi,nesto fali nesto ga davi ne vuce se maximum. Mozda gresim daj boze ali ne verujem.
Daj bože da ne grešiš tbh, barem što se mog zdravog razuma tiče :D Sledeći build će biti sa overklokerskom pločom, kada sam sklapao ovu mašinu OC mi nije baš bio na umu.
 

Gulftown

PCAXE OC team
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23.01.2011.
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6.730
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Moja konfiguracija
PC / Laptop Name:
ASUS ROG G73Jh
CPU & cooler:
R5 5900X EK Water Cooling - i7 990X - R5 3600
Motherboard:
X570 Crosshair VIII Hero WiFI - Asus Rampage III Black Edition - AsRock Fatal1ty B450 Gaming-ITX/ac
RAM:
G.Skill TridentZ 4000 2x8Gb - Corsair Dominator 6x2Gb - 2x8Gb ADATA
VGA & cooler:
6900XT Waterforce - MSI Lightning 7970 CrossFire - GT 1030
Display:
ROG STRIX XG43VQ
HDD:
Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB x2 - Samsung EVO 250GB -Samsung EVO 250GB - 8TB WD Purple, 2TB WD Green
Case:
Lian Li 011 Dynamic - Bench Table - Fractal Node 304
PSU:
Cooler Master V1000 - Cooler Master V1200 - CM 500W
Mice & keyboard:
MX Master 3, HyperX Alloy Elite RGB Cherry MX Blue
OS & Browser:
Windows 10
Može to da bude i to "prljavog" sistena, builda sistema. Svašta može. Morao bih da pogledam u biosu šta je sve podešeno.

Sent from my MI 9T using Tapatalk
 

blackmore1911

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07.02.2010.
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Moja konfiguracija
PC / Laptop Name:
BLAIDD DRWG
CPU & cooler:
Intel® Core™ i7-7700K [DE-LIDDED] @ 4.9GHz w/ EKWB EK-Supremacy Evo Elite Edition
Motherboard:
Asus PRIME Z270-A
RAM:
Kingston HyperX Predator Black 16GB (2x8GB) 3466MHz DDR4 CL16
VGA & cooler:
Inno3D GeForce GTX1080 Twin X2 HerculeZ 8GB GDDR5X
Display:
Alienware AW2518HF [240Hz] × LG 24GM79G [144Hz]
HDD:
Samsung 850 EVO 2.5" 250GB × Western Digital RED 1TB
Sound:
FiiO K5 Pro + beyerdynamic Custom Studio & Sennheiser HD515
Case:
Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic DW w/ 3 x Corsair LL120 × Phobya G-Changer v.2 280/60mm w/ 2 x Corsair ML140
PSU:
Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750FX 750W 80+ Gold
Mice & keyboard:
Razer Deathadder Elite @ SteelSeries QCK Heavy × Razer Huntsman Elite
Internet:
SBB 300/30 Mbps
OS & Browser:
Windows 11 & Opera GX
Other:
iPhone 15 Pro Max 256 GB Midnight Green, EK-XTOP Revo D5 × EK-RES X3 250, Mayhems Ultra Clear Tubing
SVID Disabled
C-States Disabled
Vcore 1.30v
Multiplier 48
LLC Level 6
XMP profil 2 (3200MHz)
AIO_PUMP header : PWM mode

Ostalo sve na auto, proveriću posle pa javljam, ali to bi trebalo da je to.
Sistem je trash, zreo za reinstall, to znam i sam...
 

blackmore1911

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07.02.2010.
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Moja konfiguracija
PC / Laptop Name:
BLAIDD DRWG
CPU & cooler:
Intel® Core™ i7-7700K [DE-LIDDED] @ 4.9GHz w/ EKWB EK-Supremacy Evo Elite Edition
Motherboard:
Asus PRIME Z270-A
RAM:
Kingston HyperX Predator Black 16GB (2x8GB) 3466MHz DDR4 CL16
VGA & cooler:
Inno3D GeForce GTX1080 Twin X2 HerculeZ 8GB GDDR5X
Display:
Alienware AW2518HF [240Hz] × LG 24GM79G [144Hz]
HDD:
Samsung 850 EVO 2.5" 250GB × Western Digital RED 1TB
Sound:
FiiO K5 Pro + beyerdynamic Custom Studio & Sennheiser HD515
Case:
Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic DW w/ 3 x Corsair LL120 × Phobya G-Changer v.2 280/60mm w/ 2 x Corsair ML140
PSU:
Seasonic FOCUS Plus Series SSR-750FX 750W 80+ Gold
Mice & keyboard:
Razer Deathadder Elite @ SteelSeries QCK Heavy × Razer Huntsman Elite
Internet:
SBB 300/30 Mbps
OS & Browser:
Windows 11 & Opera GX
Other:
iPhone 15 Pro Max 256 GB Midnight Green, EK-XTOP Revo D5 × EK-RES X3 250, Mayhems Ultra Clear Tubing
Onaj OC retry koji se dešavao - uzrok je isključen SVID.
 

R1zl4

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Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Ryzen 5 3600 / Pure Rock LP
Motherboard:
B550I AORUS PRO AX 1.0
RAM:
Kingston 2x8GB DDR4 3200MHz
VGA & cooler:
XFX RX 580 8GB
Display:
BenQ XL2420T
HDD:
KINGSTON KC3000 Series 512GB PCIe NVMe M.2
Case:
Corsair Obsidian 250D
PSU:
MWE 500 WHITE 230V - V2
Mice & keyboard:
Logitech G305 LIGHTSPEED & Redragon Kumara K552 RGB
Internet:
Telekom optika 200/80
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 Pro/ Chrome
Hajde da i ja pitam da li je ovo ok, i da li ima ko blizu mene da delidujem ovog matorca, mislim da bi mu ucinio uslugu. Cooler je Noctua NH-U12s sa jednim ventom.
4.4ghz idle.png4.4ghz.png
 

raykan

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15.09.2010.
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CPU & cooler:
i5 2500k @5.3GHz 1.52v
Motherboard:
MSI BIG BANG MARSHALL
RAM:
16GB
VGA & cooler:
GTX 1070
Display:
Lenovo 27 freesync
HDD:
275+3tb
Case:
CM Cosmos II
PSU:
CM v1000
Mice & keyboard:
Logitech G9x, CM Storm XT brown
OS & Browser:
W10
Vidi dal kuler dobro naleze, 1.23v i 4.4ghz ne bi trebalo da dostize 80c
 

R1zl4

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Učlanjen(a)
08.10.2016.
Poruka
861
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1.297
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Ryzen 5 3600 / Pure Rock LP
Motherboard:
B550I AORUS PRO AX 1.0
RAM:
Kingston 2x8GB DDR4 3200MHz
VGA & cooler:
XFX RX 580 8GB
Display:
BenQ XL2420T
HDD:
KINGSTON KC3000 Series 512GB PCIe NVMe M.2
Case:
Corsair Obsidian 250D
PSU:
MWE 500 WHITE 230V - V2
Mice & keyboard:
Logitech G305 LIGHTSPEED & Redragon Kumara K552 RGB
Internet:
Telekom optika 200/80
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 Pro/ Chrome
Vidi dal kuler dobro naleze, 1.23v i 4.4ghz ne bi trebalo da dostize 80c
Skoro sam menjao pastu, moracu ovih dana da skinem cooler da proverim, mada kad ga vec skidam voleo bih i da ga delidujem, ako ima neko tool a iz Bg-a je i voljan da mi to odradi neka se javi. :) Kontao sam i ja da su velike temperature, stari g3258 na 4.5ghz nije prelazio 61 stepen u testovima u istoj masini.
 

DeusDan

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PC / Laptop Name:
MacBook Pro 13" M1 / 16 GB / 512 GB SSD / Space Gray
CPU & cooler:
Intel i7 [email protected] All core + NZXT Kraken x52
Motherboard:
Msi z87-g41
RAM:
Kingston HyperX FURY, 16gb @1833mhz
VGA & cooler:
Gigabyte RTX2070 Super 3x
Display:
AOC 24G2U/BK 144hz
HDD:
Samsung 860evo 500gb SSD + Seagate SATA3 1TB 7200rpm, 64MB, Barracuda
Case:
Lian Li PC-O11DW 011 DYNAMIC + 2xNoctua Redux 1700pwm
PSU:
Raidmax Cobra Power RX1200AE-B
Mice & keyboard:
Genesis THOR 300 mehanika + Logitech g502 Hero SE + Rampage Chroma-2
Internet:
Optika 400/160
OS & Browser:
Win 10 Pro 64bit, Brave browser
Other:
Samsung Galaxy S21Ultra
Moj i7-4770k oc @4.5ghz na 1.3v ne prelazi u gamingu 67,68c, a u primeu 95 74,5c maks, pritom trosi 115,120w dok se vrti sintetika, mnogo mu nesto dodje ta tvoja temperatura, jel pasta sveža? Vidi da li naleže dobro kuler...
U idle-u mi je temperatura oko 28,9c...
Ne verujem da je do toga što nije delidovan cpu...

Послато са SM-N960F помоћу Тапатока
 
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