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Napajanje do 50e

AleksaBro123

PCAXE Apprentice
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16.07.2019.
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Napajanje do 50 e za

Rx580 8gb xfx OC+
Ryzen 5 1600
b450 aorus m
Ram 8gb 3200mhz kingston hyperx
 

vladarko

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
07.01.2018.
Poruka
13.704
Rezultat reagovanja
9.050
Moja konfiguracija
PC / Laptop Name:
Ago Ao 192 Kurier
CPU & cooler:
Intel i5-9600KF & Be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black
Motherboard:
MSI Z390-A PRO
RAM:
Kingston 2 x 8 GB DDR4 3600 MHz
VGA & cooler:
Palit nVidia 3060 Ti 8 GB
Display:
27" AOC 27G2SPU/BK
HDD:
Crucial P1 1 TB
Sound:
Microlab MT280B, Sony WH-XB700
Case:
SilentiumPC Ventum VT2 TG + 3 x Bionix P120 PWM PST + 2 x Bionix P140 PWM PST
PSU:
Seasonic Core GM650
Mice & keyboard:
Redragon Imapct M908 & Cooler Master SK650
Internet:
mts 250/80
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 v22H2
Kao što vidiš na sajtu proizvođača te grafičke karte, oni preporučuju napajanje snage 550 w (500 w minimum). Ako je 50 € maksimum, ja bih probao sa LC 6550, a za 60 € je već bolji izbor.

EDIT: sačekaj još neki predlog.
 

Dom1nat0R

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
03.09.2015.
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12.917
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7.570
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Intel® Core™ i7-10700K / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360
Motherboard:
ASUS Maximus XII HERO (WI-FI)
RAM:
G.SKILL tridentZ Black-White 32GB (2x16) DDR4 @3600MHz CL17 [F4-3600C17D-32GTZKW]
VGA & cooler:
AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC
Display:
LG Ultra Gear 27GN850-B [1ms,144Hz, Nano IPS]
HDD:
Samsung 860 PRO 256GB Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2x Samsung 860 EVO 2TB WD Red 3TB
Sound:
ASUS Xonar Essence ONE / Cambridge Audio Azur 640A V2 / MA RX2+Pioneer TSW306C / Logitech Z906 [5.1]
Case:
Thermaltake Suppressor F51 [Window]
PSU:
Cooler Master V850 [Full modular]
Optical drives:
N/A
Mice & keyboard:
ASUS ROG Chakram / ASUS ROG Claymore [MX Brown] / Headset hyperX Cloud Alpha
Internet:
Optical fiber 350mbs/110mbs
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Google Chrome
Other:
PlayStation 4 PRO CUH-7216B / TV Samsung UE50RU7022 50" 4K
LC 6550 ima samo jedan 6+2 pin. A RX 580 zahteva 8+6Pin. Bolje neka uzme LC600H. Moj drugar ga ima i rekao mi je da ima 2x8pin PCI.

Sa zvanicnog sajta

PCI-Express
1x PCI-Express 6-Pin 40 cm
1x PCI-Express 6+2-Pin 50 cm
 

vladarko

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
07.01.2018.
Poruka
13.704
Rezultat reagovanja
9.050
Moja konfiguracija
PC / Laptop Name:
Ago Ao 192 Kurier
CPU & cooler:
Intel i5-9600KF & Be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black
Motherboard:
MSI Z390-A PRO
RAM:
Kingston 2 x 8 GB DDR4 3600 MHz
VGA & cooler:
Palit nVidia 3060 Ti 8 GB
Display:
27" AOC 27G2SPU/BK
HDD:
Crucial P1 1 TB
Sound:
Microlab MT280B, Sony WH-XB700
Case:
SilentiumPC Ventum VT2 TG + 3 x Bionix P120 PWM PST + 2 x Bionix P140 PWM PST
PSU:
Seasonic Core GM650
Mice & keyboard:
Redragon Imapct M908 & Cooler Master SK650
Internet:
mts 250/80
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 v22H2
Još ako ima Kiklopa moraće da dobije i besplatan link do Miksera za kablove za produženje 4+4 za cpu. :troll:
 

Paki032

PCAXE Member
Učlanjen(a)
04.07.2018.
Poruka
308
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87
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Ryzen 3 1200 / LC CC 120 RGB
Motherboard:
GIGABYTE B450 S2H
RAM:
2x4gb pratriot viper black 3200mhz
VGA & cooler:
Zotac amp gtx 1060 3gb
Display:
Benq G2255
HDD:
WD Blue 500gb / Transcend alu series 240gb ssd
Case:
MasterBox Q300L
PSU:
Seasonic S12III Bronze 550W
Mice & keyboard:
Yenke ambush
Internet:
Telekom Srbija 100mb/s
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 home
Other:
Xiaomi Redmi Note 5A Prime
TermalTake smart SE 530w 2x6+2 pina licno ga koristim i jako sam zadovoljan. Polu-modularno je ima 80+ bronze i 3godine garancije. Kupljeno kod poznatog prodavca za tacno 50eura.
 

Dom1nat0R

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
03.09.2015.
Poruka
12.917
Rezultat reagovanja
7.570
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Intel® Core™ i7-10700K / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360
Motherboard:
ASUS Maximus XII HERO (WI-FI)
RAM:
G.SKILL tridentZ Black-White 32GB (2x16) DDR4 @3600MHz CL17 [F4-3600C17D-32GTZKW]
VGA & cooler:
AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC
Display:
LG Ultra Gear 27GN850-B [1ms,144Hz, Nano IPS]
HDD:
Samsung 860 PRO 256GB Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2x Samsung 860 EVO 2TB WD Red 3TB
Sound:
ASUS Xonar Essence ONE / Cambridge Audio Azur 640A V2 / MA RX2+Pioneer TSW306C / Logitech Z906 [5.1]
Case:
Thermaltake Suppressor F51 [Window]
PSU:
Cooler Master V850 [Full modular]
Optical drives:
N/A
Mice & keyboard:
ASUS ROG Chakram / ASUS ROG Claymore [MX Brown] / Headset hyperX Cloud Alpha
Internet:
Optical fiber 350mbs/110mbs
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Google Chrome
Other:
PlayStation 4 PRO CUH-7216B / TV Samsung UE50RU7022 50" 4K

vladarko

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
07.01.2018.
Poruka
13.704
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9.050
Moja konfiguracija
PC / Laptop Name:
Ago Ao 192 Kurier
CPU & cooler:
Intel i5-9600KF & Be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black
Motherboard:
MSI Z390-A PRO
RAM:
Kingston 2 x 8 GB DDR4 3600 MHz
VGA & cooler:
Palit nVidia 3060 Ti 8 GB
Display:
27" AOC 27G2SPU/BK
HDD:
Crucial P1 1 TB
Sound:
Microlab MT280B, Sony WH-XB700
Case:
SilentiumPC Ventum VT2 TG + 3 x Bionix P120 PWM PST + 2 x Bionix P140 PWM PST
PSU:
Seasonic Core GM650
Mice & keyboard:
Redragon Imapct M908 & Cooler Master SK650
Internet:
mts 250/80
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 v22H2

Djolekg

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
31.08.2016.
Poruka
9.222
Rezultat reagovanja
5.293
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Intel i7 3770K(4.4ghz),-BeQuiet pure rock slim
Motherboard:
AsRock p67 pro
RAM:
hyperx fury 12 GB DDR3 1600 mhz cl10
VGA & cooler:
Sapphire Nitro + RX 580 4gb
Display:
Asus vg248qe 144hz
HDD:
hdd(wd blue 500gb),ssd(adata su650 240gb)
Sound:
Logitech G230
Case:
cooler master elite
PSU:
Corsair RM1000x
Mice & keyboard:
HyperX pulsefire fps pro,Cooler master Masterkeys Pro M,Podloga - Zowie G-SR
Internet:
sbb 150/10
OS & Browser:
windows 10 pro 64bit
Other:
xaomi redmi note 8 pro
LC 6550 ima samo jedan 6+2 pin. A RX 580 zahteva 8+6Pin. Bolje neka uzme LC600H. Moj drugar ga ima i rekao mi je da ima 2x8pin PCI.

Sa zvanicnog sajta

PCI-Express
1x PCI-Express 6-Pin 40 cm
1x PCI-Express 6+2-Pin 50 cm
Ne koristi svaka 8+6..čak su u manjem broju mislim.Npr ova njegova koristi 8 pin
 

Dom1nat0R

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
03.09.2015.
Poruka
12.917
Rezultat reagovanja
7.570
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Intel® Core™ i7-10700K / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360
Motherboard:
ASUS Maximus XII HERO (WI-FI)
RAM:
G.SKILL tridentZ Black-White 32GB (2x16) DDR4 @3600MHz CL17 [F4-3600C17D-32GTZKW]
VGA & cooler:
AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC
Display:
LG Ultra Gear 27GN850-B [1ms,144Hz, Nano IPS]
HDD:
Samsung 860 PRO 256GB Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2x Samsung 860 EVO 2TB WD Red 3TB
Sound:
ASUS Xonar Essence ONE / Cambridge Audio Azur 640A V2 / MA RX2+Pioneer TSW306C / Logitech Z906 [5.1]
Case:
Thermaltake Suppressor F51 [Window]
PSU:
Cooler Master V850 [Full modular]
Optical drives:
N/A
Mice & keyboard:
ASUS ROG Chakram / ASUS ROG Claymore [MX Brown] / Headset hyperX Cloud Alpha
Internet:
Optical fiber 350mbs/110mbs
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Google Chrome
Other:
PlayStation 4 PRO CUH-7216B / TV Samsung UE50RU7022 50" 4K
Neka onda uzme onao sto je predlozio vladarko.
MSI Gaming X, Sapphire Nitro+, i svaka ozbiljnija cini mi se da koristi i dodatni 6 pin, nemam pojma vise sta rade :/
 

vladarko

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
07.01.2018.
Poruka
13.704
Rezultat reagovanja
9.050
Moja konfiguracija
PC / Laptop Name:
Ago Ao 192 Kurier
CPU & cooler:
Intel i5-9600KF & Be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black
Motherboard:
MSI Z390-A PRO
RAM:
Kingston 2 x 8 GB DDR4 3600 MHz
VGA & cooler:
Palit nVidia 3060 Ti 8 GB
Display:
27" AOC 27G2SPU/BK
HDD:
Crucial P1 1 TB
Sound:
Microlab MT280B, Sony WH-XB700
Case:
SilentiumPC Ventum VT2 TG + 3 x Bionix P120 PWM PST + 2 x Bionix P140 PWM PST
PSU:
Seasonic Core GM650
Mice & keyboard:
Redragon Imapct M908 & Cooler Master SK650
Internet:
mts 250/80
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 v22H2
Neće da mu smeta drugi pciex kabl. :)

Ja ne volim da predlažem LC office napajanja za ove mašine sa neintegrisanim grafikama, bez obzira na njegovu dobru cenu i svu ostalu dobrotu.
 

Dom1nat0R

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Učlanjen(a)
03.09.2015.
Poruka
12.917
Rezultat reagovanja
7.570
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Intel® Core™ i7-10700K / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360
Motherboard:
ASUS Maximus XII HERO (WI-FI)
RAM:
G.SKILL tridentZ Black-White 32GB (2x16) DDR4 @3600MHz CL17 [F4-3600C17D-32GTZKW]
VGA & cooler:
AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC
Display:
LG Ultra Gear 27GN850-B [1ms,144Hz, Nano IPS]
HDD:
Samsung 860 PRO 256GB Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2x Samsung 860 EVO 2TB WD Red 3TB
Sound:
ASUS Xonar Essence ONE / Cambridge Audio Azur 640A V2 / MA RX2+Pioneer TSW306C / Logitech Z906 [5.1]
Case:
Thermaltake Suppressor F51 [Window]
PSU:
Cooler Master V850 [Full modular]
Optical drives:
N/A
Mice & keyboard:
ASUS ROG Chakram / ASUS ROG Claymore [MX Brown] / Headset hyperX Cloud Alpha
Internet:
Optical fiber 350mbs/110mbs
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Google Chrome
Other:
PlayStation 4 PRO CUH-7216B / TV Samsung UE50RU7022 50" 4K
Pa sa 50 evra i nema bas neki izbor.
 

vladarko

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
07.01.2018.
Poruka
13.704
Rezultat reagovanja
9.050
Moja konfiguracija
PC / Laptop Name:
Ago Ao 192 Kurier
CPU & cooler:
Intel i5-9600KF & Be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black
Motherboard:
MSI Z390-A PRO
RAM:
Kingston 2 x 8 GB DDR4 3600 MHz
VGA & cooler:
Palit nVidia 3060 Ti 8 GB
Display:
27" AOC 27G2SPU/BK
HDD:
Crucial P1 1 TB
Sound:
Microlab MT280B, Sony WH-XB700
Case:
SilentiumPC Ventum VT2 TG + 3 x Bionix P120 PWM PST + 2 x Bionix P140 PWM PST
PSU:
Seasonic Core GM650
Mice & keyboard:
Redragon Imapct M908 & Cooler Master SK650
Internet:
mts 250/80
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 v22H2

nasteezy

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
21.09.2015.
Poruka
2.053
Rezultat reagovanja
739
Moja konfiguracija
Optical drives:
-
Mice & keyboard:
HyperX Alloy FPS, A4 Tech Bloody T70
Internet:
SBB EON 250/25 @ ASUS RT-N12 D1
Other:
Headset: Logitech G230/JBL T110, Phone: Xiaomi MI10T Pro

Djolekg

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
31.08.2016.
Poruka
9.222
Rezultat reagovanja
5.293
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Intel i7 3770K(4.4ghz),-BeQuiet pure rock slim
Motherboard:
AsRock p67 pro
RAM:
hyperx fury 12 GB DDR3 1600 mhz cl10
VGA & cooler:
Sapphire Nitro + RX 580 4gb
Display:
Asus vg248qe 144hz
HDD:
hdd(wd blue 500gb),ssd(adata su650 240gb)
Sound:
Logitech G230
Case:
cooler master elite
PSU:
Corsair RM1000x
Mice & keyboard:
HyperX pulsefire fps pro,Cooler master Masterkeys Pro M,Podloga - Zowie G-SR
Internet:
sbb 150/10
OS & Browser:
windows 10 pro 64bit
Other:
xaomi redmi note 8 pro

nasteezy

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
21.09.2015.
Poruka
2.053
Rezultat reagovanja
739
Moja konfiguracija
Optical drives:
-
Mice & keyboard:
HyperX Alloy FPS, A4 Tech Bloody T70
Internet:
SBB EON 250/25 @ ASUS RT-N12 D1
Other:
Headset: Logitech G230/JBL T110, Phone: Xiaomi MI10T Pro

Djolekg

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
31.08.2016.
Poruka
9.222
Rezultat reagovanja
5.293
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Intel i7 3770K(4.4ghz),-BeQuiet pure rock slim
Motherboard:
AsRock p67 pro
RAM:
hyperx fury 12 GB DDR3 1600 mhz cl10
VGA & cooler:
Sapphire Nitro + RX 580 4gb
Display:
Asus vg248qe 144hz
HDD:
hdd(wd blue 500gb),ssd(adata su650 240gb)
Sound:
Logitech G230
Case:
cooler master elite
PSU:
Corsair RM1000x
Mice & keyboard:
HyperX pulsefire fps pro,Cooler master Masterkeys Pro M,Podloga - Zowie G-SR
Internet:
sbb 150/10
OS & Browser:
windows 10 pro 64bit
Other:
xaomi redmi note 8 pro

Gideon Jura

Banned
Učlanjen(a)
28.06.2019.
Poruka
82
Rezultat reagovanja
8
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Ryzen 5 2600 4.2Ghz LC Power Lc-cc-120
Motherboard:
Asus b350-f rog strix
RAM:
Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB 3600 mhz cl18
VGA & cooler:
Vega 56 sapphire pulse 8 gb
Display:
Aoc iw2280 21.5 full HD IPS
HDD:
Samsung 860 evo 250 Gb Toshiba p300 1 tb 64 mb 7200 sata 3
Case:
Fractal design meshify c
PSU:
Riotoro onyx 650 W 80+ gold
Optical drives:
Ko to jos koristi ?
Mice & keyboard:
Kung fu
OS & Browser:
Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit

nasteezy

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
21.09.2015.
Poruka
2.053
Rezultat reagovanja
739
Moja konfiguracija
Optical drives:
-
Mice & keyboard:
HyperX Alloy FPS, A4 Tech Bloody T70
Internet:
SBB EON 250/25 @ ASUS RT-N12 D1
Other:
Headset: Logitech G230/JBL T110, Phone: Xiaomi MI10T Pro
Cx 450 na 580 xfx nece da moze ni u ludilu. Kakav perfektan savet i preporuka napajanja.
 

vladarko

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
07.01.2018.
Poruka
13.704
Rezultat reagovanja
9.050
Moja konfiguracija
PC / Laptop Name:
Ago Ao 192 Kurier
CPU & cooler:
Intel i5-9600KF & Be quiet! Pure Rock 2 Black
Motherboard:
MSI Z390-A PRO
RAM:
Kingston 2 x 8 GB DDR4 3600 MHz
VGA & cooler:
Palit nVidia 3060 Ti 8 GB
Display:
27" AOC 27G2SPU/BK
HDD:
Crucial P1 1 TB
Sound:
Microlab MT280B, Sony WH-XB700
Case:
SilentiumPC Ventum VT2 TG + 3 x Bionix P120 PWM PST + 2 x Bionix P140 PWM PST
PSU:
Seasonic Core GM650
Mice & keyboard:
Redragon Imapct M908 & Cooler Master SK650
Internet:
mts 250/80
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 v22H2

Dom1nat0R

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
03.09.2015.
Poruka
12.917
Rezultat reagovanja
7.570
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Intel® Core™ i7-10700K / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360
Motherboard:
ASUS Maximus XII HERO (WI-FI)
RAM:
G.SKILL tridentZ Black-White 32GB (2x16) DDR4 @3600MHz CL17 [F4-3600C17D-32GTZKW]
VGA & cooler:
AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC
Display:
LG Ultra Gear 27GN850-B [1ms,144Hz, Nano IPS]
HDD:
Samsung 860 PRO 256GB Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2x Samsung 860 EVO 2TB WD Red 3TB
Sound:
ASUS Xonar Essence ONE / Cambridge Audio Azur 640A V2 / MA RX2+Pioneer TSW306C / Logitech Z906 [5.1]
Case:
Thermaltake Suppressor F51 [Window]
PSU:
Cooler Master V850 [Full modular]
Optical drives:
N/A
Mice & keyboard:
ASUS ROG Chakram / ASUS ROG Claymore [MX Brown] / Headset hyperX Cloud Alpha
Internet:
Optical fiber 350mbs/110mbs
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Google Chrome
Other:
PlayStation 4 PRO CUH-7216B / TV Samsung UE50RU7022 50" 4K

Gideon Jura

Banned
Učlanjen(a)
28.06.2019.
Poruka
82
Rezultat reagovanja
8
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Ryzen 5 2600 4.2Ghz LC Power Lc-cc-120
Motherboard:
Asus b350-f rog strix
RAM:
Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB 3600 mhz cl18
VGA & cooler:
Vega 56 sapphire pulse 8 gb
Display:
Aoc iw2280 21.5 full HD IPS
HDD:
Samsung 860 evo 250 Gb Toshiba p300 1 tb 64 mb 7200 sata 3
Case:
Fractal design meshify c
PSU:
Riotoro onyx 650 W 80+ gold
Optical drives:
Ko to jos koristi ?
Mice & keyboard:
Kung fu
OS & Browser:
Windows 7 ultimate 64 bit

nasteezy

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
21.09.2015.
Poruka
2.053
Rezultat reagovanja
739
Moja konfiguracija
Optical drives:
-
Mice & keyboard:
HyperX Alloy FPS, A4 Tech Bloody T70
Internet:
SBB EON 250/25 @ ASUS RT-N12 D1
Other:
Headset: Logitech G230/JBL T110, Phone: Xiaomi MI10T Pro
Ima i jugo nacrtan avion pa ne leti.
 

Dom1nat0R

PCAXE Addicted
Učlanjen(a)
03.09.2015.
Poruka
12.917
Rezultat reagovanja
7.570
Moja konfiguracija
CPU & cooler:
Intel® Core™ i7-10700K / Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360
Motherboard:
ASUS Maximus XII HERO (WI-FI)
RAM:
G.SKILL tridentZ Black-White 32GB (2x16) DDR4 @3600MHz CL17 [F4-3600C17D-32GTZKW]
VGA & cooler:
AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT Phantom Gaming 16GB OC
Display:
LG Ultra Gear 27GN850-B [1ms,144Hz, Nano IPS]
HDD:
Samsung 860 PRO 256GB Samsung 860 EVO 500GB 2x Samsung 860 EVO 2TB WD Red 3TB
Sound:
ASUS Xonar Essence ONE / Cambridge Audio Azur 640A V2 / MA RX2+Pioneer TSW306C / Logitech Z906 [5.1]
Case:
Thermaltake Suppressor F51 [Window]
PSU:
Cooler Master V850 [Full modular]
Optical drives:
N/A
Mice & keyboard:
ASUS ROG Chakram / ASUS ROG Claymore [MX Brown] / Headset hyperX Cloud Alpha
Internet:
Optical fiber 350mbs/110mbs
OS & Browser:
Windows 10 Pro 64bit / Google Chrome
Other:
PlayStation 4 PRO CUH-7216B / TV Samsung UE50RU7022 50" 4K
Jesi li ti svestan sta pises? Graficka koja trazi jedan 8-pin u najmanju ruku trosi 220W u loadu. Gde su neki ozbiljniji procesor koji trosi od 65 do 105W jos ako se OC. A gde su ostale komponente? I to napajanje i pored 80+ sertifikata nema sanse da pruzi vise od 400W realne snage. Cak i da uspe da radi racunar nekako napajanje bi bilo nategnuto na maksimum ili jako blizu toga. Sertifikat 80+ mozemo da otpisemo odmah a o grejanju napajanja necemo ni da pricamo. Bolje je da malo vise u pocetku citas forum a manje pises. Dobronameran savet iako ga ne zasluzujes.
 
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